Welcome to the Business and Sequins podcast. I'm your host, Jo Blowfield. This podcast is for any woman who wants inspiration, practical help, and a big load of sparkle in the three areas of business, health or wealth. I have real-life conversations with women who share their journey, their ups, downs, wins and challenges. If you want a bit of sparkle in your life through these great woman stories, then thank you so much for joining the business and sequence podcasts. Well, welcome to another episode of business and sequins. I'm so excited about this episode today as we've got one of my all-time business superstars on the show. This woman is just incredible. I look at her as a mentor, I just find her so inspiring. So today we have Tina Tower. So Tina is a serial entrepreneur. And I really want to tell you a little bit about her before we talk to Tina herself. So starting her business at the age of 20. She started an enterprise that went from being a small suburban tutoring centre and educational toy store to becoming a licensed program and then a franchise. After five years of franchising, Tina opened 35 Begin Bright centres across Australia and employed 120 staff. After Begin Bright was acquired by an international education company in 2016. She started coaching other people on how to scale this service-based business. When Tina found itself repeating a lot of the same fundamentals again and again to people who were paying top dollar for private coaching. She decided to put the repetitive content into an online course and absolutely went off to put location freedom to test. Tina set off to travel the world for a year. With her husband and two children. She visited 28 countries and all while growing the online business and a couple of hours a day. Since returning from travel her Empire has continued to grow. And it's been a revelation to her that this little online business that she runs from home with just a couple of staff makes more money and has such a greater wider impact than her franchise company ever did. Tina has helped hundreds of people package the expertise into an online course and launch it into the world. Through her program "Her Empire Builders" she is on a mission to help 100 women build a million dollars a year in their business by 2025. Tina is the author of two books "One Life: How to Have the Life of Your Dreams" and "Million Dollar Micro Business", which was released recently, Tina has won call awards with Telstra National Young Businesswoman of the Year Award and Australian Business Champion and has been featured on the Today Show, Financial Review and Sky Business. And as a business moment watched by the Huffington Post, Tina lives with her family on a small farm on the Australian east coast. And from there, she helps people to develop and grow their online digital business empires. Well, welcome to the Business and Sequins podcast, Tina.

Tina

Thank you, Jo, so stoked to be here with you. 

Jo

Oh my gosh, you're stoked. I'm the one that is stoked. For anyone that is listening and doesn't know. Tina is just one of my go-to people in this world. She has been my mentor for the last year, in this online business and I'm not going to cry, I already wanted to cry at the beginning of this interview. She is so motivating, just so inspiring, and somebody that I want to be like and that I aspire to be like. And I just think you're just so amazing Tina. I want to say you are the busiest person I know. So thank you so much for taking the time to come on the podcast. But yeah, for anyone that is listening, "Her Empire Builders" is what I joined a year ago when our business had lost 75% of its income. Tina helped me turn that around. And within three months, we had done our first launch and cleared $85,000 and a capital waving. 

Tina

No, I'm telling you how, I can give the tools, I can't do the work. So you're the one that's implementing everything and doing so well. 

Jo

Yeah, but you know, it was just your guidance. And it was at a time when I was facing of spending the money for "Her Empire Builders" was the right thing to do. And is the best thing that I have ever done. I have. Oh my goodness. So, Tina, I just want to say thank you so much for coming on. I've told you, I've already read out your bio, but for everyone, that's listening in your own words. I would love you to tell us a little bit about how you've gotten to where you are today. 

Tina

Oh my gosh. It's been a long journey. It's always hard on podcasts because they go like how do you wrap it up in there? neat little 62nd sound but so I love the game of business is really really the whole thing. I've done lots of different businesses I've had six different businesses I've built and sold three businesses one for multiple seven figures and I just love I love the experimentation of it. I love pushing myself and seeing just how far we can go and the whole journey in between so I have been in business is like my whole adult life. I started when I was 20. And that was an educational choice door and tutoring centre. And then I started licensing the curriculum that I built. And then I started franchising and we built that to 35 centres around the country and then we were actually bought by a New Zealand faced company, which was nice in 2016. And then I didn't know I was at a real crossroads in going like, Who do I want to be when I grow up and it was my first time where I felt like I had like I could have done anything I had complete slather I had a chunk of cash I had like could have chosen to go any direction and that was really scary. And so I started lots of businesses like five businesses in the span of six months trying to find what my next thing was and then realize this wasn't actually the right headspace to get into the next journey and I should just chill out and have a break and so we traveled around the world for a year and that is where I accidentally tripped and fell into this wonderful world of online courses and of course was just supposed to have it as like a little thing on the side and then I just you know as with many things that I do it escalated quickly and I go all in and just get carried away and so yeah we it took 19 months to make the first million dollars and that to me was just insane after running business for the previous 15 years and it took me eight or nine years to get to a million dollars in my service based business and even at that stage I was still only earning like $70,000 a year like profit margins really small and it was just really like you had to work so hard for every dollar and so being in the online world I'm like this is scalable leverage this is amazing and so then made it like my last mission to try and get as many women as possible election no this yeah.

Jo

I love it so much you've just given me like a time frame in my mind that when the business as well 19 months right? Yeah it just clicked I thought 19 minutes

and it compounds so quickly like I think for most people It will take about three years I was very lucky that I had not very lucky I shouldn't say that I had already spent about 10 years building a personal brand so I already had like won a lot of Business Awards and was doing a lot of articles and in a lot of media and so what it took for a lot of people when you're starting from scratch and just kind of jumping in you've got to build that foundation first and then it flies really quickly but I already had that so I had a massive Head Start

Tina

yeah, that is so impressive and 19 months ma'am I'm surprised it's gonna happen for you in six months because I was I know how I organized and how I've never met anyone I think in my life that can do big vision and details at the same time Yes,

Jo

yes, it is my gift that I am a very big picture thinker and I am massively detail orientated usually you one or the other. You are either like up in the clouds or in the weeds and I have I, yeah, I can't I do both.

Do I think gallop gallop Strength Finders I think it is gallop personality profiling said that you are one in 300 million or something like that. Yeah. Like you are few and far between to be able to do strategy as well as the details. Yeah.

And I love both of them. And it's I think I think it's sometimes a blessing and a curse because like I love it, but it makes me want to do everything myself. Yes.

Jo

Yes, I think I think I'm touched with it. So yeah. Oh my goodness, the way I hear Firstly, tell us about her Empire builders. Tell us about how you know decided it was you know 100 women that you want to get to making a million dollars How did you come to that?

Tina

Yeah, so first when I started I was just going to do short courses. So I was like, You know what, I don't want to be like chained to having to do weekly things and to keep it going I want to be able to take off when I want to disappear from the world for a few months if I want to and, and do all of that sort of thing. But what I what I found was a lot of short courses didn't get massive results, people would get them and then kind of either not complete them, or they just need to bounce that sound off and the community. I totally did not realize the power of community and everyone rising together. So when I started dabbling in it, my first one scale up. So it was for service based businesses to all go together. And I was doing that. And then what I found was, the more I was talking to service based businesses, the more I was going, like I catch myself saying, you know what, this is a waste of time, like, don't put all your money into this and all your time into this, it's only gonna make you this much doing online. So I was like, screw this service-based business. And so that's when I got the idea for her Empire Builder. And I was supposed to launch it with this retreat that was going to happen in Palm Springs in California. And I flew to Palm Springs in March of 2020, a few days before kicking off the retreat. And I was there for 12 hours, and then got the email saying, turn around, come home, there's a pandemic. And so you know, like a lot of people that were caught in that moment, and you're like, I was bawling my eyes out on the plane back going, I had these massive grand plans, everything was perfect, like, what's going to happen now. And so I came back, and you didn't watch it straight away, because it just wasn't the right time. But I served the community a lot. So you know, I went online and said, I would just give away as many free calls as people needed. Because nearly everybody that I knew with service based businesses at the time, were all saying, you know, what, if I don't have a solution for this, like similar to the situation you're in, Joe was going, if I didn't have a solution for this, like in the next month, often I pay my mortgage, I can't pay my staff, like I need help now. And so I didn't 72 coaching calls in a week. Wow. And nearly died, I did not think that many people would take them up. But it really showed me like how much people need this and that the world was going to change. And I didn't think it was going to be over all that quickly. And so in June of 2020, was when I launched and I thought I would start with 10 women. And we would just kind of build it from there and see how we went. And we had 30 in the first intake. And so I was like on the floor just now Oh my god, this is incredible. And I love what I do, like, I just cannot believe that I could have a job that is just so much fun. Like, it's just, I get to surround myself with the most incredible ambitious smart women all doing great things that help each other that support one another. It's just, it's beautiful. It's a beautiful thing to be a part of. And I want women to do well. So where the 100 goals making a million dollars a year came from is it's such a small percentage. So the small, percentage of women they get to a million dollars a year is still less than 20% compared to them. And so as Why are the men getting there, and not the women, and in a lot of like online business in a lot of different industries, building online businesses, a lot of bro marketing, and a lot of men that are supporting each other that are, you know, getting on each other's programs and like helping level each other up. And there was nothing I could find for women. And so I was trying to find that for myself and going How is this not here and I joined a couple of groups, all dudes, and the thing is they go on trips together, they go on all sorts of good that I'm not invited to. So I'm missing out on all those deals. And so I was like, screw it, I'm gonna make it ourselves. Let's go. So that's how it came about.

Jo

And you have well, you have made it yourself because that is exactly what you have gone and created with her Empire builders. Exactly. So Tina has created this amazing, amazing group of women, and you've just tipped over your 100 members, your 100th name path. I mean, incredible. And you have created a group of women who we do we all hold each other up. We're all doing business with each other. But I have to say it comes from great leadership. You can't get there without great leadership. And you know, the way that you've thought things out, and that you have gone down the details and the group, you have just been phenomenal.

Tina

Yeah, and it's all learning as we go to I mean, there was a lot of I was really because my exit from franchising was not good, I hated it. By the time I left, it was probably the hardest emotional thing I've ever been through in running a franchise system. But running that is actually not dissimilar to what I'm doing now. You just get paid more and have less responsibility, like Go figure. Right? But having that training ground in such an intense, emotionally charged environment allowed me to do what I'm doing now and anticipate the problems that were going to arise when we got to certain levels and all of the issues people would have and the overwhelm and all of the different things that go on. And so like it's amazing in life when we think we're on the wrong path and something's happening, but it totally leads you to do that next thing, nothing is wasted in our lives, which I love.

Jo

But also to me things haven't always been playing sailing for you. You've had some really tough times in your life.

Tina

Yeah. And also I think that that again, like makes what I do now. Everything that I've done has led me It's like, I know how corny it sounds. But I feel like everything that I have done was training and prepared me for what I do now. Like, I feel like what I do now was my purpose in life. And I'm a trained primary teacher, which helps so much in teaching people how to do things and making complex, simple. I wrote a curriculum of which I design curriculum every day. Now, I did license I did franchising. I did service-based businesses, I've run retail stores like there's really a problem I get presented with that I client some and you can't learn that any other way other than experience. And I think if I hadn't gone through that, it just wouldn't be the program that it is it just wouldn't be the same. And so yeah, I'm very happy with that. But oh my god, yet no, no smooth sailing whatsoever. Like, it's really easy to look at my life now and go, man, she's got it made, and I do. But, you know, we lived on the poverty line for years and years and years while we built the business and sacrificed everything because that's what I thought we had to do. And that's the only way like, I pushed shit uphill for way too long because I refused to quit. But yeah, like you, we learned lessons. I was young.

You learn along the way. But look how quickly you move now. I mean, you move so quickly now because as you said, that everything that you've learned, has brought you to now to be able to move as you do. But one thing I love about you though is that, from the outside looking in, things do look like you've just breezed through a launch. But I know how much work you've done. Oh, yeah, hit of times. And one of the things that Tina always talks about is, you know, do it upfront and do it early, so that you can go in and be prepared when you're actually in that launch time. And go. Yeah, I as I said, I'm one of Tina's number one fan. So I just think she just does an amazing job. But you've also in this last go while have also written a book as well. So it's your second book, million-dollar micro-business is the go-to books, the business. I mean, I give it to anyone and everyone that I know, because I just think it is just such an amazing book. Tina, can you tell us a little bit about your book, please?

Tina

Yeah, so thank you, Jo. But million-dollar micro business is designed to be the startup one. So all the women that I work, we'd have already kind of established themselves, they've got good business background, they kind of know where they're heading, and they're ready and primed to like, just go Go for it, say balls to the wall. But that's not the right thing to say that, you know, I said it anyway. But you know, like, go for it with that. And so I wanted to have something that was super accessible that if you've got you've never ran a business before, you've got no idea where to start, you can grab that and actually finish the book and have something launched ready to go. And I'd love books that I have learned so much of what I know, through beautiful business books and really wanted to contribute to that with something valuable. The hard part was a lot of business books are very fluffy in terms of like they have one concept and it's like said 50 different ways and you get to check to 70 like oh my god, like they still talking about the same thing. And I wanted to like pack it with everything. Which makes it super practical. But it's also very different. It's a guide book it's a resource to be able to use and we've put stories and things through it as well. But it's not um it's not not fluffy. It's a get shit done book

is and then I love the fact that you've got you know templates as well to, to help with the book. It is such a well thought out book and training. You've had so much success with it. Do you want to just tell us a little bit about some of the success you've had with the book so far?

Tina

Yeah, yeah. So it is it's still now so what are we it's nearly three months old. It's still sitting on number one in Australia. On the entrepreneurship charts. I don't know what do you think New Zealand Actually, I should check that surely they have a number one which has like blown my mind we've just launched it in the US and then got to number 52 in business which was amazing, but dropped like a lead balloon. So you know, we're looking at what more we can do with that. But I'm hoping it's going to be a slow burn. I'm hoping it's going to be around for a really long time and grow through word of mouth. And as people do that, because even though I've got a really good profile in like my little world of online course creation and business women, but I'm by no means famous one of the one of the things that I always really concentrated on was I want to be successful, not well known and the more successful I can become without becoming well known, the happier I will be. But what I really learnt with, especially with the book coming out is it's got to be a big pool. You got to start going wide with audiences where I've gone really, really narrow. So you know that's been an interesting and interesting journey to be able to do but I still do I can perform really well which makes a lot of people think that I'm very extroverted, but I'm as introverted as they can, which is what makes online business. So fabulous for me. But like when we traveled the world, I went three months completely off the grid, no phone, no internet, no nothing. And it was the best 90 days. I would I wish I could do the work I did. But hide from the world at the same time, but you just can't

know you can't, especially with the with social media like it is now. And because I'm with you, too, if I could do that as well, I would. Absolutely that would be my perfect scenario to do. Yeah, absolutely. And because also, too, you work with your husband as well. How long have you been working with your husband with Matt, since the

beginning of this business. So Matt had we moved in 2013. And that was really the kind of point where he left his job so we could move and then instead of going and getting another job said we'd like reverse our roles, and he'd become a stay at home dad, and let me fly literally fly, I was going to every stage like, one year I did 80 something flights around around the country and just going to have meetings with people going to speak on stage like going just going to everything, which I could not have done had he not been holding the fort for that. So he was a stay at home dad for seven years. And then when we started this, we started building kajabi sites at the same time. So we work together, but he's got a very different part of the business to me, because I like zero interest in that whatsoever. I'd like building done for you stuff. It's just not my jam. I'm not patient enough. I'm just like, come on, do it like doo doo doo doo. Whereas he's a very patient, man. It goes at a very different frequency to me. So that makes him very good at that part of the business and may very good at my part of the business. Whereas he looks at what I do and just goes, Oh my god, woman, I do not know how you do what you're doing. I mean, even tomorrow, we've got our planning day, which is six and a half hours on zoom, which I barely take a breath the whole time. He's like, I would be dead. But I'm like, you know what, I'm fine. Like, I love it. It's no problem. Yeah.

Jo

As he mentioned, he'd been introverted as well, wouldn't he? Is he an introvert?

Tina

He is an introvert but like socially, he's a lot more social than I am like, he'll go out hang with friends. Like do all that sort of thing. I'm I'm like a homebody hermit person. Yeah, I think you'd be on a farm. I barely leave.

Jo

Yeah, I think you just described frozen I to a tee as well, I'm we're exactly the same. That's why I love lockdown. I could lock down the night is my favorite time of anything, all my favorite people and the one house and they can't escape me. And I love it. Love, love. Love it. And, yeah, you've got the most incredible office going, we all marveled at your pink office, Tina's got this most amazing office that is pink, and just all of the most beautiful things in it. And your environment. You know, you really, I you've set yourself as an aspiration for a lot of women, expiration integration down.

Tina

It's very, like it's been very much done for me. No, not for anyone else. Like there's some things that you know, people say in my office and they're like, Whoa, like that sound that's next level. But it's it's every all the things that made me happy. And I think that was one of the one of the keys. And again, I'll touch on like it wasn't, I worked from our dining table for years and years and years. Like it was only one year ago that we moved to the house that we have now, which is our forever home. And it's got our main house on it. And it's got my leisure lounge and the garage, and then another three bedroom cottage on it, which is what we painted pink and made into the office. And for me having that because I didn't want to have to rent somewhere and be able to do that. It was just it was just perfect for us when we saw this house to go, gosh, we can set up a whole office there. It can be separate from home. We can have staff come here. Like it's just, it's just beautiful. And so yeah, I feel very lucky to be in the place that I am now and I can kind of get a bit crazier in the interiors with the office because it's not the main house with my two sons.

Jo

I love it. I love it. I think he should for anyone that wants to know what no Tina gives little glimpses of it on her Instagram account. So log on to Tina Tower and have a look at it. And you'll see glimpses of her wonderful office because I'm looking at Tina now at the moment on zoom and she's got her beautiful wallpaper behind it with the gold palm tree. And the biggest smile on your face. Tina, you have one of the smartest people I've ever met in my life. Yeah, yeah.

Tina

They have a good baseline. You know, I actually so we, I don't know when this episode's coming out but we closed on launch last week and the day after like the muscles around like my nose and cheekbones but like twitching because I've been smiling too much as like a wedding on steroids like that just on eight days with too much smile. And so I don't know how to do it any other way like I just, I have a baseline. That's pretty, just pretty happy about life.

Jo

I love it. I love I love it. But you've got to be happy about life. I mean, you know, it's as your first book says one life.

Tina

Yeah, yeah. But I also have a really bad resting bitchface like when I don't smile. People are always very concerned about what's wrong. And I think maybe that's why I got trained to smile so much. It's like when I'm just normal people like, what's funny, Tina, she's not happy right now. Like, I just don't have a good, straight face.

Jo

It's funny because my children when either they got hurt, I don't know what it was. But my response, the first thing to do was laugh. So whenever they'd cut themselves or anything like that, the first thing I would do was laugh and they sat me down, and they just said that you've got to stop it. Because we just can't have you laughing when we hurt ourselves. Because you know, I tell you, I've broken my arm and you laugh. It's just it's not good. 

Tina

I don't know how to handle it.

Jo

Yeah, so it's okay. I'll try not to do that laughing anymore. But I think you're right. If you've got a good baseline, then you just sort of don't dip down below it too much.

Tina

Yeah, yeah. Like my I always think like my bad days when I have like my down days and my bad days. I still think like my best friend always goes like your worst day is still I reckon higher than most people's best day. Yeah, cuz when I'm like, This is tough. Like, I'm really down on myself right now and shut up. I am wired with an optimism bias. And I'm thankful for it.

Jo

I love that because that's gonna say, Okay, how do you deal with we all have that inner critic inside our head? How do you deal with yours is yours? Yo, do you had that? And a critic?

Tina

Yeah, of course. Yeah, um, I think I've been going at it long enough to, I feel safe to fail. I think that is one of the biggest things is I have stuffed up so many times and had so many things go wrong, both from my own fault and things that I couldn't control in life, that you have overcome so much, that I think I mean, I left home when I was 13. and overcoming that, and overcoming parents not loving you, and overcoming business failure and over code, like all of the other things that happen in life. And having a go like, when you have a big go at things, more things are going to go wrong. Always like you can live a safe, comfortable life, nothing can go wrong. And then I think a lot of those people don't learn to deal with problems, don't learn that resilience, and don't let that bounce back. But I have been going for it since like, I was 12 years old like I've been gone going. And so it's bought out other things that go wrong, but what it's taught me is I can be like one of those like inflatable blow up things thrown up the kayak, that's just like, hey, and I just keep coming back up. Because like nothing, life is short, like we're all gonna die. Like, I just don't think I think people take things too seriously that even with my biggest stuff-ups of stuff-ups, I can like a year later doesn't even matter. Like is often the things we worry about even a week later, it doesn't even matter. And so I don't hold myself back a lot with fear of judgment from other people, because I simply don't care. A lot of the time, there's a lot of people that I do very much value their opinion. And I would care deeply. If you know, they thought less of me in some way or anything like that. But most people don't actually know me. And so I realized it doesn't I just don't take that on. But I always have the moments as you know, we just closed launch always before a webinar, I always will have a moment of going, can I do this? like is this good enough? Is it like it's just that same familiar thing. But now when I feel that, like I just reassure myself and go, it's like, we've got this like you've done this, you've done this before, and I will actually sit down and visualize every bad thing that I have gone through, and how I overcame that and go like, look at what you have done. You are freaking amazing. 

Jo

Love it. But anyone that is listening, if you've got any of those thoughts, do what Tina just said, Yeah, sit down, give yourself those affirmations. tell yourself that you're worth it. Oh my goodness, if you do go through it.

Tina

I mean, it's still every like I've launched now many times, like I think 15-16 times I've lived launched it always follows the same pattern. Like you have big opening, you have massive finish, but there's like day four or five where it will take a full load go really quiet. And you'll think, Oh, is it ever gonna rise up again? Like, am I the world's biggest failure? Is everyone gonna look at me and think that I'm just like, terrible? And you have these like you can spiral really, really quickly. And that's when like, yeah, I have to give myself a real stern talking to, you're like put on your big girl pants. Shut up and get out there. And I also think we are so privileged like we get the opportunity. I do a lot of work with girls in Africa that literally have these big dreams the same as we do, but they don't have the opportunity, I think, how dare I will literally be able to have a go at anything I want and not take it? Like, come on?

Jo

Yeah. Yes. So true. And we have I was talking to someone the other day about business back when I started 17 years ago, when you know, the fax machine was still something you know, and digital files really kind of again, a Facebook people were still debating. What is this? Facebook?

Tina

It wasn't even there. We started at the same time. 2004 Yeah, my first business launch, there was no Facebook.

Jo

No, no, and people and what up came down and people just doing that whole debate. And I just think how lucky we are to be doing business right now. When there's an app for everything.

Tina

Yeah, even with marketing. I mean, we're like we touched on social media before and going like I have a love-hate relationship with it in that, like, I think sometimes people give too much of them personally away, which can make you very, like he can open you up to being violated really easily. And I learned that the hard way. But I think to not use it, you literally have so much reach for free in your pocket at any time. Like it's just the businesses that we can build now from serving people. But before we could want to serve people, but how do you find those people finding those people was really hard and really expensive. Whereas now we can attract our tribe so easily just by showing up and serving them. 

Jo

That’s amazing is and Gosh, we are just so lucky because as you've said it's just such a wide range at the tips of your fingers. Yeah, I mean Amazing. Amazing. So Tina, what have you got coming up? What are the big plans for Tina tower?

Tina

Yeah, I'm actually calming down a bit now last the last year has been ginormous, we only you know we've only been running her Empire Builder for just over a year and we've gone from zero to 100 members so I want to just kind of recalibrate that and just make sure everything's good before we rise again, that everyone's getting what they need and progressing and getting the results and doing all of that so so we'll kind of like keep that solid for now. And then we launched the book this year so now that is done so I'm actually going to take a little bit of recovery time over the next few months and just love upon our members on launch nothing so nothing just retreat a little bit because next year My plan is to I will be travelling freak in everywhere when they let me on a plane again. So I've already booked in the US I'm going to Costa Rica and having a book launch in New York and Miami and California and then running two retreats in Palm Springs and then going to Utah with a girlfriend and then going to Mexico so it will be then we've got our empire builders to retreat in June, in other words, sorry it's just it will be a massive of Book Three of change. Oh my gosh, like it just Yeah, like I just I will be on planes I like hello world I am back in you. I actually love looked down for you know the calmness and the time that it like we've been able to build the business pretty much because of lockdown and having that much-concentrated work. But I also am craving the inspiration that you get from travel and movement and talking with people that I don't know, and all of that sort of thing. So I'm really can't wait to be back out in the world again.

Jo

Yeah, yeah, I'm with you on that too. Because I'm travelling as my next favourite thing as well. And oh my gosh, where you're going sounds amazing.

Tina

Like, I've been like saving all year a certain amount of money so that I could go nuts. Like as soon as they open like I'm out of here. I even spoke to my 13-year-old this morning. And when like next year I want to extend my trip that I'm doing in the US by two weeks and go here but I'll miss his birthday. Like are you okay with that?

I gave you permission. Oh, well done. Well done. I thought you're gonna say one retreat is going to be in Fiji you know? Yes. Oh my gosh, I love it. So, Tina, I know that I'm you know, I'd asked you at the beginning if by any chance you have three tips that you might be able to give some of our listeners who are in business.

Tina

Yeah, yeah, my three tips would be to do the thing. That's it's a very sophisticated tip. But I think my heart gets broken all the time when I talk to people who have this dream and sit on it. And for a myriad of reasons which are very valid a lot of the time, don't do the thing, even though they know they've got the thing. It's there. They know they need to do the thing to be able to get the drain, but they're scared or like there are so many different things and  I'm not like devaluing those feelings because they're real but put the effort into the personal development that you need to do to allow you to do the things that you want to do in order to get where you want to go in life because if you've got that dream-like life supposed to be fun it's supposed to be an adventure like we're here for a small time we're supposed to make an impact and contribute and if you're too afraid to let yourself do the thing, then like that's what regrets are made. Like drop Mic drop Yeah, so I think do the thing. The second thing is I know it sounds like a plug for my business it's not but it kinda is also is surround yourself with really great people in going like we are you know the old adage of whether some of the people that we spend our most time with like there's a lot of people that have you know, family and friends that are not supportive which is totally fine like they're your family friends that's fine. But I would say find a group of people that inspire you to be the version of yourself into illuminating the parts of yourself that you're wanting to grow because business especially you can feel very lonely really really lonely there's no one congratulating you there's no one cheering you on there's no one noticing what you're doing and yes we do it for ourselves, not for external validation and all of that sort of thing but man external validation feels nice sometimes Yeah, so it's nice when you've got people that are going you know go you and so I would find an organization of some sort or networking in bands for a membership like Joe's yes mine that you can be part of to go You know what, these are my people and I'm going to be here to rise up and get the things that I want to be able to do. So that would be my number two and my number three would be don't take it too seriously.

Jo

Yeah, I love that thank you very much though it was so good. And then the couple of questions that I asked everyone that comes on the show so Tina if you could pick a color of sequin what color would it be and why? 

Tina

Rainbow because I never just pick one

Jo

are you like the epitome of a rainbow sequin you really are right?

Tina

Is what I would pick Yeah. Yeah, I can't pick just one. I need rainbow everything.

Jo

I love it. I love it but you are it's kind of the mini colours of Tina but many shades of Tina Yeah,

Tina

well, it depends on the day it depends on the mood. Yeah,

Jo

yeah. Yep, so perfect. And then on a sequence scale of one to 10 so one that you're finding it hard to pull yourself out of bed which I do not think because you and then 10 which is you're dropping glitter and sequins everywhere you go Where do you sit on the sequence scale with your life right now?

Tina

I would say a nine my I've never enjoyed life as much it as I do. Now life has never been easier as much as it is now. My kids are a great age everyone's healthy, everyone's happy. I would say nine, not a 10 because we've been in lockdown for 12 weeks and so it's really hard to maintain motivation and inspiration trapped in your walls. That'll take me to a time when I get on a plane I'll be like I'll call a Vega like a mother. Like Jo what of getting on the plane bringing the glass of champagne turning on old reruns of Friends and flying up into a beautiful destination I just oh my god Take me there.

Jo

I love it so much. Oh my gosh because the good news is too is that we'll hear about it on Tina's Instagram so follow her everywhere that you go walking down the average just like crying me like hell

Jo

yeah oh my goodness. So good. So good. And Tina How can people get in touch with you or follow you What are your

Tina

yeah, it's my space. Tina underscore Tower is the easiest place or Tina Tower calm.

Jo

I love it. And once again Tina oh my gosh, thank you so much. If you were here I would give you just a big hug. I can't think I should be lucky. We got June in though before all the lockdowns hit.

We did. And for anyone that's listening we went to Tina had the most incredible retreats with all of her Empire builders. in the nick of time, just in the nick of time. Literally when I came home the next day they shut down Yes. And so we were so lucky. And the best news of all is that she goes to everyone at the retreat, a pair of Kate Spade sparkly shoes which was so perfect for you. The most incredible person if it's all of the pictures that you see with me with the sparkly shoes from Tina, and I just want to say thank you so much Tina for just being such a huge rock of inspiration for myself and for all of my other women.

Jo

Thank you for showing up like you do you're such an inspiration to everyone and you are such a good cheerleader of everyone to which is just incredible. Like when I talk about getting women together to support one another like you are there at the forefront cheering everyone on and it's just so good.

Jo

Thank you. Good. As you can tell everyone who's listening. I am a huge span of 10 lovefests. Wait, wait. You haven't read her book though. Hunt her books down, and you can get it on Amazon and we can get you can get it.

Tina

Yeah, you can get it anywhere globally now. So just go million-dollar micro business. And then what I would encourage you to do is go million-dollar macro business.com there's a whole lot of digital resources that you can get with it, like Canva templates, everything. Yeah, go get the good stuff. Yeah, the good stuff.

Jo

I love it. So thank you so much, Tina, for coming and for sharing with us. Thank you very much.

Thank you so much for joining me on this episode of Business and Sequins. Thank you so much for letting me be the voice in your ear or the noise in your ear for this last little bit. I hope that you've managed to find some form of inspiration or motivation or even that bit of sparkle that you're looking for in the stories and conversations that you've just heard. Don't forget, if you're wanting a bit of help, and business, health or wealth, then don't forget that we've got our business and sequence membership. So thanks again for joining me and I look forward to having you join me on the next episode.